Here's a crazy question...
Anyone have any idea what we are fishing for next week?
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Here's a crazy question...
Anyone have any idea what we are fishing for next week?
Braggin rights and 40000 in Lund Merc money I believe.?LOL
Top three spots are all Lund/Mercury Gift Certificates according to CSFL website.
1st - 2 x $20,000 certificates
2nd - 1 x $10,000 certificate
3rd - 1 x $5,000 certificate
If you fish by yourself and win do you get both certificates?
You should....that would be impressive!
Maybe hell will freeze over as well. I better get my auger sharpened:D
John,
Don't joke about the ice...summer's short enough.
Then you would also be forced to figure out what to do with $40 000 in Lund dollars....:O Do they make rods and reels?
hey John,
...Prize $$$ is Prize $$$, team or single - I'm hoping these Certificates free up more cash down the Top-20 pay-back sheet?...
Personally; if I were running a T-Circuit - the final pay spot(s) would be an absolute minimum of double your entry fee. Even if that meant shaving down from top end 1st place prize, or a few less pay spots (including regular season events not just the year-end Championship. Nothing worse than coming in tenth and "winning your money back" or "getting your entry fee back" as it so often refurred to but coming out several hundred dollars in the hole! :)
Last week, someone got their check for 10th or something like that for $300 and turned to their partner and said, "didn't we pay $380 this morning to fish this thing?" :O
later ......... G!
Clarification from the CSFL :
As for receiving your entry fee back when you place 10th -
Your entry fee is $300 - $39 goes to the government (not the CSFL);
$20 is a cash lunker pool goes to the angler (not to the CSFL);
$20 is weekend warrior and goes to the angler (again, not to the CSFL)
and $2 is 50/50 which is split between the angler and the Cancer Research Society (again, not to the CSFL) -
so $300 for 10th place is your entry fee
If anyone has any questions or concerns please feel free to call Andy anytime
So if one was to win one of these certificates..what are trhe options??
Trade it in for a lund?
Can I sell it to someone else?
Can I put it towards a new motor at a lund dealer?
Sell it to a dealer?
Anyone go through this last year?
Hey Tony,
I think Andy's been under the gun as much or more than most T-organisers re: pay-backs and he's done a fantastic job by preparing a financial breakdown showing angler dollars in and pay-outs.
It doesn't really matter where the money goes, or how it's broken down - It's a simple case of $381 out; and a meere $300 in a the end of the of the day! Makes the hundreds spent in practice, equipment, lodging and whatever very difficult to justify, But then again - who shoots for10th place when looking at these things :P
later .......... G!
In my personal option, like it would matter to anyone :-)...
The gift certs are only just ok, however the aftermath of trying to unload them would be a huge set back. You would not be able to get close to face value, and the time that it would take to find a buyer you would be sitting on them for who knows how long. Even if you use them towards buying a boat from lund, and from there turn and put it up for sale is a huge undertaking itself. Would be nice to hear the details on the gift certs won last year. :*
If it is 40k for first, then make it 40k cash, or an actual Lund boat or a motor and powerpoles, etc, something useful that if you didnt need or want them it would be easier to sell off, then cash for the remaining pay spots.
Im no ware close to being a professional fisherman, I am just out there to have fun enjoying a day fishing, and I dont care about bragging rights, but if I get lucky, and I bring home a piece of paper to the wife that could lead to me buying another boat would forsure put me in couch or more.
Any how, good luck to everyone and enjoy yourself out there during the classic!
Maybe they make snow boats James!Quote:
Originally posted by Jeff.Gignac
John,
Don't joke about the ice...summer's short enough.
Then you would also be forced to figure out what to do with $40 000 in Lund dollars....:O Do they make rods and reels?
Can't wait for the frozen Sound.
There are people buying Lunds on a regular basis. I'm sure that if you offered one 40,000 towards his purchase for a price of say 35,000 he would take it. Anyone that doesn't want to save an additional 5,000 on a boat purchase just aint right.
I think that the cert's would be better than a boat because if you had a boat you are now restricted to that particular boat to either keep or sell.....really narrows down the perspective buyers for your boat where as a cert would leave the door wide open to any of Lunds/Merc's offerings.
I am curious however if you could use the two 20,000 certificates to purchase 2- 250 Opti XS's?
If the winners prize was in cash I'm sure it would be much less. Lund is a sponsor for the CSFL and of course the event itself and considering there is no entry fee other than the percentage that all CSFL tournament anglers contribute during the year, I think the prizes are pretty generous.
It might be nice to get your money back for 10th but as Pete said, who the hell is trying for 10th?
If someone can't make a reasonable profit in the tournament biz then why would they do it? The quality of the organisation is as good as any and if I were a sponsor I think I would want a little more respect and patronage.
I buy products from companies that support our industry and community.
September 2, 3 & 4, 2011
Rideau Ferry
Win up to $128,000.00 in cash and prizes
First Place: 2-$20,000* Lund/Mercury Boat Certificates
Second Place: 1-$10,000* Lund/Mercury Boat Certificate
Third Place: 1-$5,000* Lund/Mercury Boat Certificate
Front and center on the 2011 Registration form since day one. No surprises.
Not trying to start a pissin contest here, but if you didn't like the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow why fish the series? ?fish?fish?fish?fish and hope you have the problem of what to do with $40,000 of Lund bucks :clap:clap
And while I didn't fish the series this season, I would be proud (I wear my qualifier hats with pride) to have made the cut given the quallity of the anglers competing on the various tours.
Hats off Andy, Vita, family and crew for another successful consistent tour.:clap:hug:clap
Pat
Guys all I can say is Bassmania as in the past will be upfront about all of the moneys drawn from each event to accumulate the Classic payouts. I'm sure all of this will be clear and published soon. They have always been above board on this stuff. Every tourney they provide a payout sheet of what's been held back for the Classic.
The math always works. For me I'm gonna worry about that stuff on Sunday at 5:00pm if it matters at all...... I won't fish any different if it's cash/boat/certificates......
For me I'm putting my head down and gonna concentrate on the task at hand. There is gonna be allot of teams out there and some pretty good sticks! Game on!
Peace Out
Dan
Since everyone seems to be chatting about this topic (at tackle stores, and club meetings not just on-line) I thought I would throw out my 2 cent idea.
All I did was look at it from a "LETS SIMPLIFY" point of view.
I can bet there are like 100 things Andy has arranged in the background such as sponsors, prizes, etc so there is no way I would even think I could include all those factors since I have nothing to do with them so I did not try to assume anything when I created this. Andy & Vita do a lot of work and i do not want to "Simplify" their efforts at all.
Ok so since I am coming from a "Simplify Point of view" there must be the understanding:
1) 80% payback
2) No Team of year
3) No angler of year
4) No other "of the year" prizes
5) NO HOLD BACK FOR THE CLASSIC
6) Based on 100 team entry
$300 x 100 teams = $30,000
$30,000 x 80% = $24,000 prize (6000 csfl)
24,000$ Prize Organization
1st = $6000
2nd = $4000
3rd = $2000
4th to 10th = $1000 (7000)
11th to 20th = $500 (5000)
NOTES :
1) If there is not 100 boats the price table stays the same at the top it just starts cutting from the bottom up. So if there was 80 boats it would cut the prize spots from 20th and work up. This will put more importance on WINNING top 3 spots, while still giving some money back to lower spots.
2) So now I anticipate FLACK about not padding the classic prize money, but I have a payback idea for that ?LOL
100 boats at the classic (more if you want)
Each team will pay 200$ to enter.
100 teams x 200$ = 20,000$
20,000 x 80% = 16,000 prize (4,000 csfl)
And here is the kicker
1) Fish all year to make the classic
2) Winner of the classic is the years champion so they are TEAM OF THE YEAR, ANGLERS OF THE YEAR, etc
SOooooo
The Classic winner takes the 16,000$
ITS A WINNER TAKES ALL CHAMPIONSHIP !! At the classic the goal is to be the champion, so there should be no difference between 2nd & 100th ?LOL
Again, just my 2 cents to KEEP THINGS SIMPLE.
Honestly, do we really care when The Men's Team Canada Hockey team wins the silver? Or does it matter which team comes in second in the Stanley cup final ?? Nope because that means they LOST the cup :P
Just food for thought cause I'm just happy to be fishing :X
PS. Someone will have to check my math, I just did it in my head on the go :O
Let's please not take this post down a road that wasn't intended.
All I wanted to know was if anyone new what the 'revised" payout structure was as since there was not full fields this year I don't imagine they will payout the advertised prizes. And if a horseshoe found its way into my butt and we won the classic I wanted to know what my options were now before getting caught up in the excitement and making a poor decision at the spur of the moment. As Danny said Andy and Vita have always been above board with everything and run a great series; I was simply looking for info.
Good luck and congrats to all particpating.
Pete
Great post Pete!
See you there!
Peace Out
Dan
Geez guys...every single year since inception CSFL has produced full breakdowns of all income of entries for all tours, the breakdown of all AOTY, TOTY and All Canadian and finally what the final payouts will be at the Classic, they disclose ALL admins costs....and what the final payouts will be at the Classic meeting....they have done this every year and will treat all qualifiers to an awesome weekend....why
not chill, focus on your prefish and find out at the meeting....geez....I only wish I qualified....good luck everyone and freakin CHILL!!!!!!
This is getting ridiculous
Tony & Danny,
I agree 100% that CSFL (Andy & Vita) have always been 100% transparent with all the dollars & tournies.
It all comes down to trust and integrity....and thats why the CSFL is still the top tourny series around IMHO. I hand over my money to Vita & Andy each year because I trust them based on all the honest hard work they have done over the last 10+ years (maybe ita 15 years I'm getting old and can't recall dates that well...lol)
Andy :clap
Vita :clap
CSFL Crew :clap
I have been around since Andy started this series and every year the same crap happens and Andy and Vita know what their doing so to everyone concerned RELAX its all good ?fishON C U ON THE WATER
Hey great job to Andy and company. Some very good thoughts. Why not keep things close to what they are but increase tourney fee by no more than 100 bucks and put it all into paybacks. 80 boats means an extra 8000 to spread out. An extra 4 bills is peanuts over the course of a season. Then have 100 entry to Classic to add another 10000 g's to the prize money. There is strength in numbers. Let's support Andy's great work together. He has a lot of expenses as anyone would know who runs a business.
Hey Chris,
Dude you dont know old!..lol ...I'm on the wrong side of 46 feeling like 86 every morning...lol..25 years of contact sports will do that to ya!.
There is something very important that WE ALL MISSED!...last years Turkey feast!!..lol. Guys Andy listens to what people ask for and as always its hard to keep everyone happy. People ask to pay deeper, so they do. There is TOTY/AOTY/All Canadian/Horse Power Payouts drawn from the pool of entries every event,that causes the over all payouts to be reduced.
The pay spots went deeper inorder to allow Anglers to recoupe some funds back, I get it. If/when we cash a cheque the magic envolope we are given explains to the penny what was paid where and how much.
There is nobody in the Tournament industry I trust more than Andy and Vita....
Peace Out
Dan
Looking at the reality...
Entry is $300 if you don't include tax and optional big fish and weekend warrior.
You compete for aprox. $4000 for 1st.
So for 1 division it costs you $1200(plus tax)...
You get a shot at $16000(4 firsts) plus a free shot at $35000(for sake of arguement) in the classic.
So for $1200 you can win $50000+...Not to bad when you think about it. Plus Team of the Year money and entries, plus All Canadian money, plus whatever else..
Like many I feel like the CSFL does a Top Notch job with organizing their tournament circuits.
Guys start crunching numbers without knowing exactly what's going on and often their math doesn't reflect the reality of a tournament series.
It's easy to say $300 x 100 entries but that many boats is far from the norm on most lakes. That's just a start.....
Take advantage of the great fall fishing and good luck to everyone heading to Rideau!